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Why doesn't God destroy Satan?
Topic Started: Apr 12 2018, 10:33 PM (1,171 Views)
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I did find a reason on this site. Pretty much it's because Satan cannot die, and was created as the perfect being.
God has killed plenty of people
...I never said God has never personally killed people, that was never my point.
"God is the creator of life. He is life. In Him no death or darkness exists."
They are pretty much arguing, God can only create life and not take it away.
Hence why I gave a list of examples of God killing people. God can kill just fine.
I think it's more than obvious that God is more than capable of killing people, considering Noah's Arc is one of the most famous biblical tales, and God pretty much kills everyone besides Noah, his family, and a bunch of animals. What they're trying to imply (which isn't really implying, more like outright repeating) is what's pretty much always said about God, that God is an almighty perfect being, who is the source of all light, and all goodness, etc.

And besides the point, it's not really the topic of conversation of the thread.
Well it technically is. If God has the power to kill humanity through cataclysm, you'd think he'd also have the power to destroy Satan as well.
If he can't do either, then he's isn't a perfect being.
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I did find a reason on this site. Pretty much it's because Satan cannot die, and was created as the perfect being.
God has killed plenty of people
...I never said God has never personally killed people, that was never my point.
"God is the creator of life. He is life. In Him no death or darkness exists."
They are pretty much arguing, God can only create life and not take it away.
Hence why I gave a list of examples of God killing people. God can kill just fine.
I think it's more than obvious that God is more than capable of killing people, considering Noah's Arc is one of the most famous biblical tales, and God pretty much kills everyone besides Noah, his family, and a bunch of animals. What they're trying to imply (which isn't really implying, more like outright repeating) is what's pretty much always said about God, that God is an almighty perfect being, who is the source of all light, and all goodness, etc.

And besides the point, it's not really the topic of conversation of the thread.
Well, you can't really argue God is such a super goody nice guy if he burns people alive and floods the entire Earth.

And yes it is a topic of conversation, because you gave an explanation as to why God can't kill Satan and I'm apparently not understanding it. This is completely ontopic.
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I did find a reason on this site. Pretty much it's because Satan cannot die, and was created as the perfect being.
God has killed plenty of people
...I never said God has never personally killed people, that was never my point.
"God is the creator of life. He is life. In Him no death or darkness exists."
They are pretty much arguing, God can only create life and not take it away.
Hence why I gave a list of examples of God killing people. God can kill just fine.
I think it's more than obvious that God is more than capable of killing people, considering Noah's Arc is one of the most famous biblical tales, and God pretty much kills everyone besides Noah, his family, and a bunch of animals. What they're trying to imply (which isn't really implying, more like outright repeating) is what's pretty much always said about God, that God is an almighty perfect being, who is the source of all light, and all goodness, etc.

And besides the point, it's not really the topic of conversation of the thread.
Well, you can't really argue God is such a super goody nice guy if he burns people alive and floods the entire Earth.

And yes it is a topic of conversation, because you gave an explanation as to why God can't kill Satan and I'm apparently not understanding it. This is completely ontopic.
No, it really isn't, this is the core of the argument.

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Satan cannot die, be killed or cease to exist, because God created him as an eternal being. Satan will live eternally in anguish separated from God.


Send the same incidentally applies to humans, that to is to say, God cannot destroy your soul or spirit. He can't destroy Satan's soul either because Satan is an eternal being, that is the implication of the entire passage, it has nothing to do with his morality if you don't want to deal with that or think he's not that good.

That is the argument put forth, all you're talking about is the presumed opinion that the writer holds of God in general.
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In my opinion, it's because it's a story and having an antagonist helps :p

Only half kidding. I really don't want to get too into this in general discussion, other than explicitly saying rather than implying that I'm agnostic atheist. Why a fictional character does or does not do something in a very famous book is not really something through my perspective, based on how I view the Abrahamic God that I want to comment on, especially in this venue.
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God didn't give us free will, it gave us freedom of thought with literally no understanding of what any of it is or that disobedience is even a bad thing.

Satan encouraged us to eat from the tree of knowledge, and then we had free will.
No, if that were the case then they wouldn't have eaten from the tree, because God didn't want them to. Right there they were faced with temptation and the struggle of wether to eat the fruit or not. Their free will led them to choose to eat the fruit, despite God's wishes.
But they literally couldn't even fathom right from wrong, that's 100% God's fault.

You wouldn't get mad at a toddler for s***ting on the floor when you made no attempt to potty train them, that's basically what happened there.

Literally without knowledge they couldn't have known they were supposed to listen to God and do everything it says, leaving them to effectively be stupid gullible children.


The only other option really, is that Satan is just better than God in most ways.

Makes sense to me. If you think about our own capabilities, we can quite easily create things we would never be able to beat. No human will ever beat one of those crazy AI's that destroys that chess computer easily.
No human will ever run as fast as one of the many vehicles we can create.
No human will ever lift as much as a machine or robot can.

Might be that God can't kill Satan because God created something superior to him. Can't fistfight a Terminator.
That's one explanation for why God has conveniently f***ed off and not performed miracles for many centuries, maybe God has to hide from Satan and can only hope that Jesus can do something.

If any of this holds any truth at all, I'd love to know what the real story is, these deity's may be much more f***ed than anyone expects.
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I know this was part of the off topic discussion but I'm pretty sure the bible says humans were very evil at the time, so it's not like God was being an a***** by wiping everything out. For him to wipe everything out like that obviously means the population was pretty terrible and was definitely in need of a reset or something
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I did find a reason on this site. Pretty much it's because Satan cannot die, and was created as the perfect being.
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Apr 15 2018, 10:53 PM
I know this was part of the off topic discussion but I'm pretty sure the bible says humans were very evil at the time, so it's not like God was being an a***** by wiping everything out. For him to wipe everything out like that obviously means the population was pretty terrible and was definitely in need of a reset or something
I didn't read all of the posts, but I'm assuming your talking about the flood. Yeah they were pretty bad. Which is why he spared Noah and his family and then a lot of the animals. Then because of Noah, God promised to never flood the earth again.
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